Comments on: 12 Moments of Anime #4: KyoAni’s Curveball and MangaGamer’s Home Run http://blog.eternicity.net/2009/12/22/12-moments-of-anime-4-kyoanis-curveball-and-mangagamers-home-run/ In search of anime enlightenment Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:25:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: 毎日アニメ夢 » 12 moments of anime 2009: #2 Haruhi season 2 http://blog.eternicity.net/2009/12/22/12-moments-of-anime-4-kyoanis-curveball-and-mangagamers-home-run/comment-page-1/#comment-5557 毎日アニメ夢 » 12 moments of anime 2009: #2 Haruhi season 2 Fri, 25 Dec 2009 03:29:44 +0000 http://blog.eternicity.net/?p=2854#comment-5557 [...] for all its past trolls for that matter)? Others have already said just about everything that needs to be said about “Endless Eight” on their 12 [...] [...] for all its past trolls for that matter)? Others have already said just about everything that needs to be said about “Endless Eight” on their 12 [...]

]]> By: ETERNAL http://blog.eternicity.net/2009/12/22/12-moments-of-anime-4-kyoanis-curveball-and-mangagamers-home-run/comment-page-1/#comment-5552 ETERNAL Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:32:19 +0000 http://blog.eternicity.net/?p=2854#comment-5552 It's an uphill battle for them either way, but yes, I'm quite surprised that they're still offering the rape games. I would think that that's just asking for trouble, but I'm not sure how the situation has been developing outside of Japan. It’s an uphill battle for them either way, but yes, I’m quite surprised that they’re still offering the rape games. I would think that that’s just asking for trouble, but I’m not sure how the situation has been developing outside of Japan.

]]> By: Anon http://blog.eternicity.net/2009/12/22/12-moments-of-anime-4-kyoanis-curveball-and-mangagamers-home-run/comment-page-1/#comment-5549 Anon Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:43:35 +0000 http://blog.eternicity.net/?p=2854#comment-5549 Part of the problem is MangaGamer does not offer the best products in the first place. They offer download only games for about 55 dollars, their games have some grammar mistakes, and the game in question (Soul Link) isn't exactly a masterpiece either. Throw in censorship on top of that, and most people no longer see this particular game worth buying. However, although Soul Link would not have been that particularly hurt with censorship, they have Koihime coming out in the future. Take a look at the CG for that, if MangaGamer kept this censorship policy, that would have needed to be butchered significantly, seeing how half the heroines are loli. Yes someone might have ended up putting the CGs back in, but that would only end up being a small part of the community, many people do not follow the inner workings of that community and would have never known (and in later games besides Soul Link, these would then be mosaic images) and would not buy a game with the knowledge that some guy on /jp/ would uncensor it. And more importantly such a patch only works if there are minimum changes in the text, so it did work for Family Project, and it would work for Soul Link since they were keeping the text, but what happens when the game has scenes cut so there is no text where those scenes would have been (quite likely if they did decide to censor Koihime), there would be no such patch. I admit it is tricky, with legal issues, but MangaGamer is significantly more likely to face legal issues for someone finding the title "Suck My Dick or Die" then someone else playing through Soul Link and finding a loli, just look at Rapelay. No one actually cares about the content in Rapelay as long as they know it is rape, but the title makes it a great political tool for politicians who would like to try to suppress free speech to gain a few votes. Part of the problem is MangaGamer does not offer the best products in the first place. They offer download only games for about 55 dollars, their games have some grammar mistakes, and the game in question (Soul Link) isn’t exactly a masterpiece either. Throw in censorship on top of that, and most people no longer see this particular game worth buying. However, although Soul Link would not have been that particularly hurt with censorship, they have Koihime coming out in the future. Take a look at the CG for that, if MangaGamer kept this censorship policy, that would have needed to be butchered significantly, seeing how half the heroines are loli. Yes someone might have ended up putting the CGs back in, but that would only end up being a small part of the community, many people do not follow the inner workings of that community and would have never known (and in later games besides Soul Link, these would then be mosaic images) and would not buy a game with the knowledge that some guy on /jp/ would uncensor it. And more importantly such a patch only works if there are minimum changes in the text, so it did work for Family Project, and it would work for Soul Link since they were keeping the text, but what happens when the game has scenes cut so there is no text where those scenes would have been (quite likely if they did decide to censor Koihime), there would be no such patch. I admit it is tricky, with legal issues, but MangaGamer is significantly more likely to face legal issues for someone finding the title “Suck My Dick or Die” then someone else playing through Soul Link and finding a loli, just look at Rapelay. No one actually cares about the content in Rapelay as long as they know it is rape, but the title makes it a great political tool for politicians who would like to try to suppress free speech to gain a few votes.

]]> By: ETERNAL http://blog.eternicity.net/2009/12/22/12-moments-of-anime-4-kyoanis-curveball-and-mangagamers-home-run/comment-page-1/#comment-5539 ETERNAL Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:18:23 +0000 http://blog.eternicity.net/?p=2854#comment-5539 That's an interesting perspective (the comments deterred me from listening to the podcast, but I'll probably check out the next one). This stuff is definitely harder on the companies than it is for us, but I think things are headed in the right direction. Part of what makes it so difficult is that the companies who have to deal with legal trouble are basically competing with the free fan translators who don't have to deal with any of that, and it puts everyone in an awkward position - the fans wouldn't pay to support censorship, but the companies can't risk their business for a few CGs. I'm a bit optimistic about it right now, but above all, I'm genuinely curious about how this will develop in the coming year. That’s an interesting perspective (the comments deterred me from listening to the podcast, but I’ll probably check out the next one).

This stuff is definitely harder on the companies than it is for us, but I think things are headed in the right direction. Part of what makes it so difficult is that the companies who have to deal with legal trouble are basically competing with the free fan translators who don’t have to deal with any of that, and it puts everyone in an awkward position – the fans wouldn’t pay to support censorship, but the companies can’t risk their business for a few CGs. I’m a bit optimistic about it right now, but above all, I’m genuinely curious about how this will develop in the coming year.

]]> By: Aorii http://blog.eternicity.net/2009/12/22/12-moments-of-anime-4-kyoanis-curveball-and-mangagamers-home-run/comment-page-1/#comment-5525 Aorii Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:28:50 +0000 http://blog.eternicity.net/?p=2854#comment-5525 MangaGamers' move is definitely nice and shows their dedication to their audience, but I do agree with Visualnovels.net's podcast that the English visual-novel community should reflect upon its own behavior. Here we have a company whose willing to risk the market (small, risky, and loaded with piracy) and bring us Visnovs and all they ask is a bit of extra legal protection. What did we do: we raged at them. I mean, even if the H-scenes are a big thing to some, would it be so hard to just wait for that inevitable patch to be released by some group that'll put the uncensored CGs back in? It's one of those times I feel ashamed to be within the ELVN community... "We might be heading into a time in which professionals and amateurs don’t have to be at odds" I have a dream--!!! who knows. As long as it's not crunchyroll style again. MangaGamers’ move is definitely nice and shows their dedication to their audience, but I do agree with Visualnovels.net’s podcast that the English visual-novel community should reflect upon its own behavior. Here we have a company whose willing to risk the market (small, risky, and loaded with piracy) and bring us Visnovs and all they ask is a bit of extra legal protection. What did we do: we raged at them. I mean, even if the H-scenes are a big thing to some, would it be so hard to just wait for that inevitable patch to be released by some group that’ll put the uncensored CGs back in? It’s one of those times I feel ashamed to be within the ELVN community…

“We might be heading into a time in which professionals and amateurs don’t have to be at odds”
I have a dream–!!! who knows. As long as it’s not crunchyroll style again.

]]> By: Baka-Raptor http://blog.eternicity.net/2009/12/22/12-moments-of-anime-4-kyoanis-curveball-and-mangagamers-home-run/comment-page-1/#comment-5524 Baka-Raptor Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:19:54 +0000 http://blog.eternicity.net/?p=2854#comment-5524 I want MangaGamer's Higurashi so bad, but for now I'm waiting until the dollar gains ground on the euro. I want MangaGamer’s Higurashi so bad, but for now I’m waiting until the dollar gains ground on the euro.

]]> By: JANAiBlog http://blog.eternicity.net/2009/12/22/12-moments-of-anime-4-kyoanis-curveball-and-mangagamers-home-run/comment-page-1/#comment-5523 JANAiBlog Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:44:54 +0000 http://blog.eternicity.net/?p=2854#comment-5523 I certainly hope that we start to see more examples of professionals working with amateurs. I strongly feel that anime producers, instead of sending threatening letters to fansubbers, should be making use of their abilities to their advantage. It's doubtful this will ever happen, but one can only hope. I remember when Kadokawa stated that they wouldn't be removing videos from YouTube that contain their content, but would rather place an ad on the video and even share the ad revenue with the person who posted the video. I think this is a great way to promote your product without making yourselves look like bullies, thus giving you better PR in the longrun. It's a real shame more companies haven't realized this yet. I certainly hope that we start to see more examples of professionals working with amateurs. I strongly feel that anime producers, instead of sending threatening letters to fansubbers, should be making use of their abilities to their advantage. It’s doubtful this will ever happen, but one can only hope.

I remember when Kadokawa stated that they wouldn’t be removing videos from YouTube that contain their content, but would rather place an ad on the video and even share the ad revenue with the person who posted the video. I think this is a great way to promote your product without making yourselves look like bullies, thus giving you better PR in the longrun. It’s a real shame more companies haven’t realized this yet.

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